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“In Dresden or Darfur, the numbers are important” (but not in Auschwitz )

Holocaust exceptionalism
by Michael Hoffman
Ah, Mr. Beaumont, your cri de coeur for “stopping exaggerations” falls flat, since stopping exaggerations about Auschwitz is illegal in several western nations. Mr. Beaumont’s jingoism is so great that he can’t see that he himself is engaging in revisionism that could be considered “denial of the holocaust” (in Dresden). 
Why is there a right to doubt Dresden casualty figures and not Auschwitz casualty figures? The question is not even posed.  ”Six million Jews killed in The Holocaust” is Kabbalistic gematria, not a statistic in history. 
All Beaumont can muster is “Holocaust deniers like to play with the numbers.” Indeed, and holocaust exceptionalism cannot exempt Dresen from the list of places where “Holocaust deniers” such as Oliver Kamm and Deborah Lipstadt minimize casualty figures for political advantage – in the case of Dresden – from fear that an equivalence between Allied monstrosity and the Nazi version might take hold. Therefore, the “rulings” of German (sic) commissions” need to be investigated for the extent to which they have been politicized by the pressure to immunize the Allies against the charge of perpetrating a true holocaust (death by fire) in Dresden, and other cities in Germany and Japan during World War II.   

In Dresden or Darfur, the numbers are important
A German commission has ruled on the casualty figures during the Second World War firebombing of the Saxon city. Will that at last stop the exaggerations of Holocaust deniers such as David Irving?
by Peter Beaumont

Before David Irving’s failed libel case against author Deborah Lipstadt a decade ago – she accused him of Holocaust denial – Raul Hilberg, Holocaust scholar and author of The Destruction of the European Jews, was asked by DD Guttenplan why the arithmetic of mass murder remains so important.

“There is,” said Hilberg, “if you don’t want to surrender to nihilism entirely, the matter of a record. Does the record matter? In my judgment it is not discussable, it is not arguable.”

I mention Hilberg because of the final unravelling of another of Irving’s poisonous “facts”: the claim in Irving’s 1963 book The Destruction of Dresden that 135,000 people died in the firebombing of the German city.

In truth, Irving’s Dresden numbers have long been under assault. They were challenged at the Lipstadt trial by the historian Richard Evans, who later accused Irving of “consistent” and “deliberate” falsification. Other historians have concluded over the years that the death toll was much lower.

Now, in what seems likely to be the last word on the matter, a German historical commission set up to examine the precise numbers of those who died has reported. After five years’ work it has established that the toll was around 25,000… a shocking number, but – without diminishing the scale of the death – of quite a different order.

Why this matters so long after the event is not simply because it undermines those on the far right who seek to establish a moral equality between the crimes of Nazi Germany and “Allied crimes”, but also because of Hilberg’s wider point over the “sanctity of facts”. Because the numbers really do matter.

Holocaust deniers like to play with the numbers. Those who seek to deny the genocidal massacre at Srebrenica during the Bosnian war also seek to diminish both the absolute total or redefine the nature of those killed to combatants from civilian men and boys. A similar process has been attempted over Rwandan genocide. And the number who died during the war in Iraq has been one of the fiercest areas of contention. Indeed, it remains disgraceful that we have no accurate count of Iraqi casualties, while we have recorded every dead and injured US and British soldier.

And why this matters is because an accurate accounting – whether of the deaths in Darfur, Dresden or Dachau – supplies real meaning to the narrative of memory and history. It allows us to accurately define events; make comparative judgments both morally and politically, to understand the intention behind acts and the weight of suffering.

None of which means that Dresden was not a terrible act in a terrible war. It does not even mean that it was not a crime, although that remains the subject of continuing historical dispute. But if it was a crime, it was one on a far smaller scale than claimed by the likes of Irving. The truth, to paraphrase, will always set us free.

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Correspondence from Google related to censorship of our videos

The US government in the person of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is pressuring China to end Internet censorship. This is inspired by China’s alleged repression against “freedom-loving” Google.

Be aware that the US Department of State has partnered with the Israeli government and various thought police NGOs to “monitor” exposure of the truth about Judaism and Zionism online. Both the Israeli government and elite Zionists around the world advocate Internet censorship of World War II revisionism (“Holocaust denial”).  Elie Wiesel recently urged the government of Hungary to improve its image by jailing revisionist historians. Germany, the close ally of the US and the Israelis, jails revisionists and censors the Internet. The US is complicit in the German repression. Obama has met with German jailer Angela Merkel and praised her “democratic values.”

Google acts as the enforcement arm of the religion of Holocaustianity, protecting it from scrutiny, skepticism and exposure. We are reproducing here correspondence from Google related to Google Inc.’s 2006 censorship of two of our revisionist videos from the Internet. What does Mrs. Clinton have to say about Google’s censorship?

From Google Inc.



Google has been notified that your videos violate our Program Policies
The titles of the videos are listed at the end of this message.

According to our policy, we are removing the following videos:

World War Two Revisionist Charles Provan
Deborah Lipstadt, “Amalek” and David Irving

To review our Program Policies please visit:
http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=27737&topic=1490

If you believe this removal was done in error, please respond to this
email. (End quote)

Feb. 22, 2006

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The Google corporation defines “Holocaust” revisionism as “hate speech,” and on that basis withdrew the Lipstadt and Provan videos from broadcast. The censored Lipstadt video demonstrated how “Holocaust” High Priestess Lipstadt had labeled historian David Irving “Amalek,” which is incitement that could possibly lead to his death. The censored Charles Provan video consisted of an interview with a researcher who believes in the gas chambers and differs with mainstream historians only on certain details. Hence, even belief in the gas chambers, when it is not total belief, in every single detail of the “Holocaust” story, now constitutes “hate speech.” If this is not totalitarianism, what is?  Google initially approved these two videos and broadcast them for approximately one month. The videos were removed only due to outside pressure.

Deborah Lipstadt has publicly labeled my “Amalek” video about her, “revolting.”

In 2006 in the Washington Post, William Bennett and Alan Dershowitz chastised the American media for having failed to publish the cartoons against Muhammad which first appeared in Denmark: “…radical Islamists have won a war of intimidation. They have cowed the major news media from showing these cartoons. The mainstream press has capitulated to the Islamists…”

Radical Judaics are also winning a war of intimidation. They have cowed Google into censoring a video critical of Deborah Lipstadt, and another video which maintains that the execution gas chambers existed, but that they were operated mainly by Judaics. Are “intimidation” and “capitulation” only wrong when they emanate from Islamic coercion? What about Judaic intimidation of the media? It must be at a higher level of power and control, because unlike the Islamic version, Judaic intimidation is not publicized in the US media. It is perpetrated largely without the knowledge of the public.

We protested Google’s censorship. Here is Google’s rejoinder:

FROM: GOOGLE VIDEO SUPPORT

To: Michael A. Hoffman II

Date: Wed Feb 22, 2006 08:00:17 PM PST

Subject: Re: [#47515979] Re: Google Video Policy Violation

Hi Mike,

Thank you for your email. We received complaints that your content violates our posted policy against hate speech.

Because the videos appear to promote Holocaust Revisionism, in violation of our policy against hate speech, we have removed the videos.

We appreciate your understanding.

Sincerely, The Google Video Team  (end quote)

If you’d like to view the videos Google censored, they are available for purchase on DVD:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?p_id=10017
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?p_id=10018

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For further reference: Hoffman’s Letter to China regarding Google and censorship
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2010/01/hoffmans-letter-to-china-concerning.html
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